Ok- someone mentioned this in another thread, nobody answered and it eventually it got lost in some bickering- so Im asking again-
Does anyone know ANYTHING about a company called Hildbrandt or thier products?
This site is the "sole distributor"-
www.tattoomachineequipment.com
any pros care to poke some holes in thier story?

Yeah i just bought a hildbrandt machine on ebay just for fun to see how those cheap ebay machines are...... and the conclution is THEY SUCK and youre a dumbass if you are concidering to tattoo anyone witrh those shitty machines

BTW they are identical and the same as almost all cheap machine on ebay hildbrandt just promotes them to be different and better but they are exactly the same machines made in china generic junk

I'll have to have to disagree on this one, I had one of those generic machines from ebay that cost me something like 20 bucks to practice on melons and i'll agree that they suck even for inking melons. My bro that has been doing work for years just gave me the hildbrandt he was using as a liner and this thing is miles better than the one i was using. My bro has done some real work with this hildbrandt and I've seen him work on some of them kuz I'm learning from him and all his work turned out great.

I am interest in buy Hildbrandt machine as well. I have hear some good thing from tattoo artist friend here about hildbrandt machine and they are good price for me. Also good for me is they ship to brazil becuse many US and Canada tattoo machine maker not ship to brazil. What I not understand is your saying:
"i just bought a hildbrandt machine on ebay just for fun to see how those cheap ebay machines are...... and the conclution is THEY SUCK and youre a dumbass if you are concidering to tattoo anyone witrh those shitty machines"
Why anyone chose to buy a machine just to see if they bad? Is it not waste money? I wuld like to know why you say they are bad because I want to make sure I buy is good.

The reason that i bought it was that i wanted to compare it to my other machines. I had never testet out a cheap machine like that before and was curious how the cheaper models run compared to my everyday machines. The cost of this machine is so low that i can afford to buy it just for fun..

The reasons that hildbrandt machines really suck is that they have a steel frame of bad quality, steeel is not prefered anyway for a frame, the geometry of the frame is wrong to.

The coils are made of wery thin copper wire on a small steel core this results in a wery weak coil that needs alot of voltage to run and because of the bad quality they will burn up .

The contact screw is of steel this will destroy your springs after a little while and since all parts on the machine including the frame has a bad geometry you will not find spare parts to fit.

I have a hildbrandt and I'm pretty sure we are either talking about a different tattoo machine manufacturer or they made some serious changes to their machines. My hildbrandt frame is made of iron. It says on their website the frame is made of iron. It is obvious that it is iron because there is no yoke to suggest it to be anything else and if it was steel it would become magnetized while running and wouldn't run as long as I've run it. Also, the coils on my machine are made of iron as well. I haven't taken apart the coils to see exactly how thick the copper wire is as I didn't want to rip apart the nice coil covers. I haven't had to run it on a high voltage setting though, pretty standard fare actually depending on the work I'm doing. I'm not sure about the contact screw because I changed it to a brass one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is the best machine out there, I only have it because my gear got jacked and I can't afford a better machine just yet. I'd sell my soul to get back my sharpz but that ran me past 300 for it, for the 50 bucks I paid for this hildbrandt, I'd say I got one helluva deal.

they have a bunch of machine styles including cheap bent steel frames... i have an iron bulldog style from there that tuned and frequently use for B&G shading and it runs fine to me... eventually i will tear it down to the frame and use all my own parts on it but until i have the time it works fine for me.

The one i have tested is called 44 magnum and its a bent steel frame.....useless machine

I thought I'd just add my 2 cents here. I don't have a hildbrandt but two buddies that I work with use them. they ain't the best gun out there but they do their job fine.

just a FYI hedwas, my buddy has the 44 magnum too and the frame is made of iron, not steel. if you have a problem with the gun you can send it in for warranty. my buddy ended up stripping one of the screws, it was pretty obvious that it was his own fault but the hildbrandt guys replaced the whole gun no questions asked.

If you know what the hell you're doing then you can pretty much run any machine after you, yourself tune it for your style and needs. My "shitty lil hildebrandt" pulled consecutive all day shifts without skipping a beat, everything from color to black and gray it was able to blast out with great results. (mind you my other machine i normally use is being used by a collegue)

the only problem i have with em is that they're metric based, the screws are kind of cheap, the springs will probably need to be replaced in a few weeks, and the worst part is the contact screw wears away too fast so it requires re-adjustment too often.

I'm going to precede this by stating I USED 2 New Gens, a dial and a brass from international. The New Gens were great u could literally adjust them for any hand and size. I thought they were great, especially for the price (my New Gens were less than $200) ea. I didnt have a problem paying it, they were and are great machines.

However, 2 weeks ago I got 2 Hildbrandt machines. I've got the .223 set up as a shader and the .38 as my liner. I just had to set my depths and w/i 5 min. they both were purring just right. Needle throw was good, so was speed, right out of the box. I'm the type of guy that doesn't want BS...and this machine can offer shop owners to purchase new machines for their artist's, especially with the price. I think the owners would get a handshake and the artist is getting great machine.

~H

This is the kind of work i've been slamming out with my Hildebrandt... sorry for the glare

I know what HILDBRANDT is on Ebay. it's made in China.I know that very well. you can symbol any words on the machine whatever HILDBRANDT or AAABBB if you ask to the manufactory. Does anyone want it? I can offer 10$ each, minimum for 100 and plus the shipping from China. and just tell me what kind of words you want symbol on the machine.I promise it's absolutely the same as the HILDBRANDT one. want the warranty certificate ? sure, no problem. that's just a paper....
if somebody interesting , contact me at gavinyes@163.com

I was thinking of buying a hildbrandt from ebay my whole purpose is to tattoo pets for I.D. purposes the desciption says that even vets and breeders use them.Does anyone know if these little units are actually safe on pets? I have contacted the Hildbrandt co. all they basically told me was what I had already read on ebay's description.
I know there are tattoo equipment out there especially for pets,but is there really a difference?Besides the Hildbrandt seems nice and economical.i know you guys tattoo people but I figured if the co. don't know maybe the experienced tattooer might know if these units are good for once in while use and only to tattoo numbers.thanks for any info.

To reply to "hedwas" or whatever his name was, it doesnt really matter, why any one would waste money buying a machine to see if it was the same as a generic machine offered on ebay shows that edwas has no respect for money, his parents or sugar daddy has spoilt him for too long, wake up son show some respect, maybe all cant afford the lifestyle that your are accustomed to.

Tha machines are great and well worth the payment asked, as far as "they Suck" it must be you that sucks as all m y tattooist use them and have actually won trophies with them. Bad workmen always blame their tools and by all accounts you really do suck!!!!

So you should really have a good look in the mirror, stop acting like a brat and waste some more of Daddies money on some old lady to teach you some manners.

Hildbrandt are honest people with honest machines.

hildbrandt is crap. the only thing worse than a hildbrandt machine, is a hildbrandt power supply. these machines ARE chinese, and they are no better than all the generic junk on ebay. anyone who tells you any different knows nothing about tattoo equipment, and is talking purely out their asshole. there equipment is sold under a variety of names. same junk. don't listen to the moronic scratchers in this thread who sing the praises of absolute shit.

this is why pros hate scratchers, because they are so fucking gullible and arrogant. again, only a true idiot would even suggest that these chinese knock offs are anything more than bottom of the barrel manure.

is this in any way unclear?

Tattooists spend so much money on their machine collections looking for the perfect one. I say, skip the junk and move right up to the good stuff.

Many people argue that it is the tattoo artist and not the tool. And while I agree to a point, if you start out with good machines you won't have to fuss with it as much and if the tattoo is fucked up, it's most likely because of YOU, not your machine.

I think that a good machine and at least the basic troubleshooting knowledge is better than a crap machine that won't stay adjusted, spits, sputters, etc...

i got 12 dollar machine from cam look like hilbrandt but shittyer used parts for other build projects........anyways i could tattoo perfect with a ten penny nail if i wanted if you suck you suck so stop acting like you r a real tattooer and go back to makeing web pages or what ever you did before u thought you were a tattooer.oh its not called a gun dumb ass trailer trash